3 Responses to HAS FATHER MARCEL GUARNIZO BEEN TREATED UNJUSTLY?

1. Curt Stoller says:

   April 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm

   Not just in Canon Law, but everywhere, Modernists employ a tortured logic that boggles the mind:

   “God loves sinners ergo there is no sin.”

   “Jesus’ criticized the “laws” of the Pharisees ergo Jesus believed all laws to be unjust.”

   “Jesus loved sinners ergo sinners are saints and saints are hypocrites.”

   “Jesus criticized certain religious practices ergo all religious practice is shameful and we should just get on with fixing the world politically.”

   “Christianity is a religion of love and mercy therefore professions involving law, law enforcement, defense and so on are anti-Christian by nature.” I’m ok and you’re ok and we should all just get along.

   “Jesus loved the poor ergo Jesus is in favor of totalitarian governments dedicated to the eradication of poverty.”

   “Jesus said: God forgive them for they know not what they do, ergo there is no Divine Judgment except for those who still believe in things like the Last Judgment, Sin and so on. Those conservative folks are doomed.”

   One could go on and on, sadly. I’ve noticed that there is something strangely missing in Catholic social teaching: the awareness that people take advantage of the good will of others to the detriment of everyone but themselves. I’ve never seen a Catholic social teaching that addresses the issue of fraud. “Given that Christians are taught to be merciful, I can make a sign that says I am broke and need help and a certain number of Christians will give me money to go buy some cheap wine.” Given that Christians have provided all these socialized safety nets, I can fake being disabled or lie cheat and steal from the government with almost total impunity because Christians will always error on the side of mercy [except for the unborn and the unwell elderly].

   Yesterday someone painted “death to Christians” on the wall of the Chapel of the Holy Innocents next to Planned Parenthood. Someone told me: “You know if someone wrote some hate speech on the walls of Planned Parenthood, the FBI, the Justice Department, the whole weight of the Federal government would be brought to bear to find the culprit.

   Something similar is happening in the Church. Stand up for the teachings of the Pope and you will get crucified by heretics. But attack a heresy and you will be dealt with “pastorally,” whatever that means. Why is that?
2. Curt Stoller says:

   April 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm

   What would the Pope do?

   I once saw a teenager with a necklace from which hung the letters: WWJD. When I asked her what they meant, she said: “What would Jesus do?” The teenagers was from one of those big evangelical mega churches that are supposedly based on the principle of ‘Sola scriptura.”

   In the Roman Catholic Church in America where many sheep act like shepherds and many shepherds act like sheep, what is is an American Catholic who is really serious about his religion supposed to do?

   I would say this: Follow the Holy Father. If you can afford it, buy his books. If you can’t afford it there are public libraries and the internet. I think it is sad that priests and bishops who want respect and obedience from their flocks are not willing to give the same respect and obedience to the Holy Father. Bishops who act against the Holy Father remind me somewhat of President Obama’s recent warning to the Supreme Court that they had better be careful of going against him and questioning whether thy could do what they are in fact sworn to do. Sometimes it seems like some prelates hold themselves up higher than the Pope.

   I don’t want to get into the thorny issue of collegiality. As long as we are Roman Catholics and not Eastern Orthodox Christians, we are to follow the Pope. We do not believe he is just the first among equals. He is our leader, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

   A lot of priests and Bishops live very well in America and if I can be excused from being a little bit crude: they are employees of the Roman Catholic Church. There are plenty of self-proclaimed clergy and bishops in my home town who struggle to make a living with their strange ideas about Christianity. And although I may disagree with them on almost every issue, I have respect for a person who doesn’t bite the hand that feeds him.

   I wonder how many dissenting priests and bishops would like to leave the Catholic Church and strike out on their own? And what of the laity who are scared to death to lose the label “Catholic” while at the same time going against almost every Catholic teaching? I was thinking the other day, if abortionists really didn’t know that what they were doing was wrong, then THEY would be the ones using photos of butchered babies in THEIR advertising. They would be proud of their work of murder. Why do they hide it? What do they not proclaim it in photos from the rooftops: “Look at the sixteen babies I killed today.” Why doesn’t Planned Parenthood have billboards with photos of aborted children? Why don’t they have photos of aborted children in their literature? Why? Why? Because they know at some deep level that what they are doing is horrible and wrong. That’s why.

   And if a Catholic layman really no longer believed “extra ecclesiam nulla sallus,” he or she would be out of the door already and in another church. They stay and then attack the Pope. I was looking the other day at a brochure from a local “Christian” church. There was a line that read: “We are an inclusive church– wide enough to include traditional Christians and theists on one hand as well as agnostics and atheists.” That’s pretty wide. So there are obviously places for Catholics who disagree with the Pope to go. Why don’t they?

   How would His Holiness treat Father Marcel Garnizo? I honestly don’t know. But I’m pretty sure His Holiness wouldn’t treat him as he is being treated right now!
3. Barbara Kralis says:

   April 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm

   Canonist Ed Peters, whom I refuse to read, disagrees too often with orthodox Catholics
   re Canon 915. Peters has criticized many excellent writers/theologians for stating that pro-abortion or sodomite folks should be denied the Holy Eucharist. He is very wrong. But, then you can ask 5 different Canonist the same question and you’ll get 5 different answers. What Peters’ thinks doesn’t matter. Canon 915 is clear, they should be denied. There should be no room for dialogue there. However, there are some at the Vatican who agree with him. Therefore, liberals at the Vatican appointed him to a curial position, and it means nothing except that there are liberals at the Vatican who like Ed Peters’ comments. I don’t. In the above link, Peters’ disagrees with George Neumayr. Neumayr rightly believes Fr. Marcel Guarnizo did the correct and only thing he could do and deny the sodomite woman Holy Communion.

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