POPE FRANCIS’ JESUIT PUBLLICATIONS INTERVIEW PROVIDES A LOT OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT

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About The Author

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Louie Verrecchio is an author, columnist and speaker living and working in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, MD. The Founder and President of Salve Regina Publications, he is one of Catholic News Agency’s longest running columnists (since April 2009).

He is the author of the internationally acclaimed Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II Faith Formation Series which has been helping Catholics on four continents explore the documents of the Council since 2004.

“Harvesting is a work not best carried out in the dark of night for obvious reasons,” Verrecchio cautions. “In the darkness it’s difficult to distinguish between that which is ripe and sweet and nourishing, from that which is hard and bitter or may not even be fruit at all. As we explore the Second Vatican Council, ours is a work that must be carried out in the light as well, the brilliant and purifying light of sacred Tradition.”

To aid in establishing a firm foundation in sacred Tradition, Mr. Verrecchio recently launched the Traditio Faith Formation Series, exploring the magisterium of the pre-conciliar popes, beginning with Quas Primas, the 1925 Encyclical of Pope Pius XI, establishing the Feast of Christ the King.

Mr. Verrecchio is also the author of a number of books including:

• Ten Things Every Catholic Should Know About Vatican II
• And With Your Spirit – Restoring a sense of the sacred in the Roman Missal – Third Edition
• Was John Courtney Murray Right?
• The Most Holy Rosary: A Weapon of Mass Instruction

Mr. Verrecchio has addressed conferences and retreats in dioceses throughout the United States, and his media appearances include EWTN, Church Militant TV, Ave Maria Radio, Relevant Radio and numerous local affiliates. For information about his speaking schedule and honorarium, please send an inquiry via email to info@HarvestingTheFruit.com.

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The pope’s nearly 11,000 word interview with America Magazine will be debated for months. My contribution to that discussion begins with the following ten takeaways.

May I first beg your forgiveness for my failure to hold up for applause every expression offered by the pope that resembles solid Catholic teaching? Nothing personal; that’s just me. I’m not in the habit of alerting my mechanic every time my truck starts either.

1. Pope Francis is very uncomfortable wielding authority.

“I found myself provincial (in a position of authority in the Jesuit order) when I was still very young. I was only 36 years old. That was crazy. I had to deal with difficult situations, and I made my decisions abruptly and by myself. Yes, but I must add one thing: when I entrust something to someone, I totally trust that person. He or she must make a really big mistake before I rebuke that person. But despite this, eventually people get tired of authoritarianism.”

“My authoritarian and quick manner of making decisions led me to have serious problems and to be accused of being ultraconservative … I have never been a right-winger [but] it was my authoritarian way of making decisions that created problems.”

Clearly, this is a man who took accusations of “conservatism” from the poster boys of liberalism, his brother Jesuits, as if it were a dagger to the heart.

All indications are he isn’t about to make the “mistake” of ruling with authority again.

2. As a result, this is a pope who is determined to seek refuge in the conciliar invention known as “collegiality.”

“The consistories [of cardinals], the synods [of bishops] are, for example, important places to make real and active this consultation. We must, however, give them a less rigid form. I do not want token consultations, but real consultations. The consultation group of eight cardinals, this ‘outsider’ advisory group, is not only my decision, but it is the result of the will of the cardinals, as it was expressed in the general congregations before the conclave. And I want to see that this is a real, not ceremonial consultation.”

His Holiness even went so far as to say of the Orthodox Churches, which are defined by their rejection of papal primacy, “From them we can learn more about the meaning of episcopal collegiality and the tradition of synodality.”

Pope Francis can insist that matters of Church governance are “not only my decision” all he wants, but the simple fact remains, while consulting with his cardinals and other bishops is wise, the Church that Jesus gave us is monarchical in structure, and the pope alone possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church.

3. Pope Francis’ unwillingness to take up the mantle of Christ’s authority as vested in the Roman Pontiff has a profound, adverse, effect on his ecclesiology.

“The image of the church I like is that of the holy, faithful people of God. This is the definition I often use … the people itself constitutes a subject. And the church is the people of God on the journey through history, with joys and sorrows. Thinking with the church, therefore, is my way of being a part of this people. And all the faithful, considered as a whole, are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo, this infallibility in believing, through a supernatural sense of the faith of all the people walking together.”

The “people” may constitute a subject, but certainly this image does not exhaust the objective reality of what the Church is.

What is conspicuously missing, not just from this interview, but from the witness of the past six months, is any evidence that Pope Francis sees himself as anything more than simply a shepherd who walks among his people, as if this body moves about en masse apart from the leadership provided by the occupant of the Throne of St. Peter whom the Lord appointed to serve as the visible head of the whole Church.

4. Perhaps this is why Pope Francis seems to imagine a certain dichotomy, or at the very least, a noteworthy tension, exists between orthodoxy and orthopraxy; belief and practice; doctrine and spirituality.

“If you want to know who Mary is, you ask theologians; if you want to know how to love her, you have to ask the people.”

The threefold office of Christ – teaching, governing and sanctifying – exist, of course, in perfect harmony such that, using the pope’s example, the people could not possibly know how to properly love Mary apart from any one of them.

Furthermore, while a share in these offices is proper in some degree to all the baptized, they are all the more profoundly expressed in the sacred hierarchy, and uniquely so in the Roman Pontiff. While Pope Francis may not explicitly disagree with this statement, his discomfort embracing it is palpable.

5. Pope Francis apparently sees a Church that the overwhelming majority of the faithful have never experienced.

On the heels of last week’s breathtaking comment, “I dare say that the Church has never been so well as it is today,” the pope described a situation that most Catholics can barely even imagine in their wildest dreams:

“A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing.”

Rare indeed is the parish that puts “moral and religious imperatives” before the generic Christian warm and fuzzies.

The disconnect between the Holy Father’s idea of what’s it’s like to dwell in the Church today, and the bitter reality of the obstacles faced by those who wish to live a fully Catholic life, is nothing short of stunning.

6. This pope, like his immediate predecessors, is utterly determined not to allow “the facts on the ground” to interfere with his view of the Second Vatican Council.

“Vatican II produced a renewal movement that simply comes from the same Gospel. Its fruits are enormous. Just recall the liturgy. The work of liturgical reform has been a service to the people as a re-reading of the Gospel from a concrete historical situation.”

Pope Francis obviously dwells in the same parallel universe from whence John Paul II said, “The vast majority of the pastors and the Christian people have accepted the liturgical reform in a spirit of obedience and indeed joyful fervor,” even as the real fruits of the post-conciliar liturgical reform were such that desolate parishes were being boarded up at an alarming rate in dioceses all over the world as he spoke.

7. Pope Francis’ determination to praise Vatican II, and to treat it as if it alone constitutes the fullness of sure doctrine, has engendered in him an open hostility toward those who dare to embrace the doctrine of the faith as it was taught and lived prior to the confusion that was ushered in by the conciliar innovations, firstly, with regard to liturgy.

“Then there are particular issues, like the liturgy according to the Vetus Ordo. I think the decision of Pope Benedict [his decision of July 7, 2007, to allow a wider use of the Tridentine Mass] was prudent and motivated by the desire to help people who have this sensitivity. What is worrying, though, is the risk of the ideologization of the Vetus Ordo, its exploitation.”

Apparently, His Holiness simply dismissed the letter of explanation that accompanied Summorum Pontificum, as well as the Instruction for its application that followed some four years later. If not, he would realize that the effort to make the traditional liturgy, which has never been abrogated, readily available has nothing whatsoever to do with some condescending notion of placating “people who have this sensitivity;” rather, it is motivated by the reality that “the Usus Antiquior, [is] considered as a precious treasure to be preserved … for the good of the faithful” (Instruction on the Application of Summorum Pontificum).

8. Pope Francis’ hostility toward traditional Catholics also has roots in his compromised ecclesiology.

“If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists­—they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies. I have a dogmatic certainty: God is in every person’s life.”

Imagine, here is a pope openly criticizing as “legalists” those who expect the Church to provide precisely what should be expected of every Holy Mother; steadfast assurance, clarity, and safety.

If that’s not preposterous enough, he states that those who seek in the Church what are ultimately characteristics of God Himself (clarity and safety), ends up with “nothing!” It’s as if he imagines that doctrinal fluidity, ambiguity and exposure to the lies of the Devil are gifts from on high.

It is interesting to note how in this context the pope falls back on what he calls a “dogmatic certainty” that “God is in every person’s life.”

Does the Catholic Church have anything to offer beyond this?

“Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person,” the Holy Father says.

It’s not immediately clear whether or not the pope intended to include “Catholicism” in this generic reference to “religion,” but this certainly seems to be the case. This begs the obvious question: Does the Vicar of Christ really believe that the doctrine of the faith is but an “opinion” that threatens to “interfere” with an individual’s spiritual life?

I would be delighted to say that there is good reason to dismiss this possibility out of hand, but I’m afraid I cannot.

9. Pope Francis appears to believe that Catholic teaching must be adapted to humankind, not vice versa. Likewise, he believes that Church teaching does not form the man; rather, the man forms the teaching.

“When does a formulation of thought cease to be valid? When it loses sight of the human or even when it is afraid of the human or deluded about itself … The thinking of the church must recover genius and better understand how human beings understand themselves today, in order to develop and deepen the church’s teaching.”

The unavoidable conclusion one must take away from the pope’s comments are that he imagines that doctrinal formulae once considered nurturing for the soul can become poison simply with the passage of time.

At this, we have arrived at the most fundamentally important takeaway from this interview, and indeed the entire six months of this pontificate.

10. Pope Francis is a modernist.

“St. Vincent of Lerins makes a comparison between the biological development of man and the transmission from one era to another of the deposit of faith, which grows and is strengthened with time … The view of the church’s teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understandings is wrong.”

St. Vincent of Lerins in no way encouraged “different understandings.” Rather, he said, “Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all … we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed.”

Pope St. Pius X, in his magnificent Encyclical, Pascendi Dominici Gregis, On the Doctrines of the Modernists, said regarding the false notion that human experience somehow renders a “different understanding” of Catholic truth, “This doctrine of experience is also under another aspect entirely contrary to Catholic truth. It is extended and applied to tradition, as hitherto understood by the Church, and destroys it.”

Furthermore, the Oath Against Modernism states very clearly:

“Finally, I declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who hold that … dogma may be tailored according to what seems better and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed to be different, may never be understood in any other way.”  [Emphasis added]

This, I’m afraid, is a pledge this Holy Father could not, in good conscience, take.

Conclusion

We must us fast and pray much for this Holy Father, that he may, by the grace of God, govern the Church according to His will.

  1. Elizabeth September 21, 2013 12:19 am

    Thanks for the clear analysis. I really appreciate reading your words. Scary times. Truly.

  2. steve September 21, 2013 12:58 am

    Fortunately, our hope is not in a man, but in a God-man. Elizabeth, the times are always scary, but as His followers we are safe. Now, I just have to live up to these brave words.

  3. Craig September 21, 2013 3:15 am

    Spot-on analysis. These are scary times indeed.

    I’m just trusting in Our Lord’s promise that the Holy Spirit will prevent the pope from binding these modernist errors on the faithful.

    I’m not so trustful that this pope won’t try. And just how the Holy Spirit stops him…that could be quite scary. I’m thinking of all those prophesies of the chastisement, and so much seems to be coming to a head.

    Lord have mercy!

  4. Lynne September 21, 2013 4:06 pm

    Exactly, Craig.

  5. why zee September 21, 2013 4:14 pm

  6. Patt September 21, 2013 6:16 pm

    I am glad to come to your page and read your analysis. You did a complete job and made things quite clear. I hope, since pope Francis does not like to govern, nor his role as pope— that he wisely seeks EARLY RETIREMENT from a post he did not want.
    As the liberals fawn over him and hold him up as the poster for their causes, it is a concern to those holding on to the Faith of Our Lord. I am aware that the Holy Spirit will protect the Church, but there remains damage that can be done…

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8 Responses to POPE FRANCIS’ JESUIT PUBLLICATIONS INTERVIEW PROVIDES A LOT OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT

  1. abyssum says:

    @fatherhill32

    Whoa! Slow down! Take a deep breath and pray for guidance to the Holy Spirit. While we may have difficulty accepting the new style of a Pope speaking off the cuff on every topic with any and all journalists, we know that in doing so he does not enjoy virtually any degree of infallibility promised by Christ to his Vicar. It is only when the Pope speaks in a solemn manner on matters of faith and morals addressed to the universal Church does any pope enjoy that infallibility.
    So what are we to make of the present situation?
    Well, for a start, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Pope Francis was not legitimately elected by a legitimate conclave my a majority of the cardinal electors after praying for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. THEREFORE, he is the Vicar of Christ and we owe him respect. If we disagree with his STYLE of exercising his Papal ministry we can tell him of our unhappiness like Saint Catherine of Sienna and we can pray for him.

  2. fatherhill32 says:

    There is an anti-Christ male imposter, but NO POPE has been seated! Prove I am wrong with what you know of the One Holy Catholic dogma and Faith.
    http://www.johnthebaptist.us

  3. My impression is that if the final collapse of Western civilization could be written, this interview would be one of the primary exhibits. God help us.

  4. Lee Gilbert says:

    “Touch not my anointed, and to my prophets do no harm” (Psalm 105:15).

  5. How does one even begin to forgive the Hierarchy for Vatican II ? Our most sacred treasure was ripped from our lives as one would amputate a gangrenous limb. Roman Catholics were told and continue to be told that the Latin Mass is verboten. An embarrassment.
    No Catholic Priest, Bishop or Cardinal Prince of the Church had the right to do that.
    The only place we can go today is to the Traditional Catholic Churches where the Latin Mass has been preserved. No protestant hymns, no english liturgy, the Mass in all its beauty, the reverent attitude of the participants, no jumping up shaking hands, kissing people, clapping hands and that abomination referred to as Liturgical dancing. Oh yes, no profane displays by the ” Wiccan Ministry ” , no ” Cookie Masses “, or lectures from the committed Lesbian Married Catholics. The pre-Consilar Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church was not so ambiguously worded that any abuse of its Doctrines would have been tolerated. People left the Consilar Churches because they had ceased to be Catholic. We are now finding out that the Ordination of priests after Vatican II was changed in such a way that the power to absolve penitents in confession was compromised. Those catechised in the pre Vatican II era had no difficulty stating just what their belief required of them Today all we have to be is ” really,really nice”.

  6. I can scarcely believe I was not familiar with Louie Verrecchio before reading this piece tonight (after a referral). All I can say is, bravo! You hit all the nails so squarely.

    How sad the present situation is indeed.

  7. A Pope that is soft on governance according to the Holy Scriptures and the Faith of Jesus Christ can only send the message that it is okay for those in the Church to be soft on themselves rather than training in obedience like a spiritual athelete, as St Paul described. A Pope that is soft on governance invites weakness and sin among the people in the Church. This must grieve God who instructs and chastises those whom He loves and calls His children.

  8. Donna Marek says:

    We have been waiting for a clear, faith filled critique of Pope Francis’s interview and we shouldn’t be surprised it is written by Louie Verrecchio and on this blog by Abyssum. This is straight forward analysis that we can share with our adult children and teenage grandchildren, who have a multitude of questions.

    Thank you for being faithful. That IS all that is asked of any of us.

    Donna

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